Sue's research is turning to Weatherup's in Antrim and many more place names are coming up, I hope this post will try to help to keep track of what is where as it is begining to get very confusing.
I've come across references to place names in relation to the weatherups as follows:
Ballinacoy, Ballyclare, Ballynure, Ballypitmave, Ballyvannon, Carrickfergus, Glenavy, Larne, Lisburn, Silevetrue, Straid, & Tullyrusk (not counting more apparently recent Weatherups in Bangor and Belfast).
The three Weatherup brothers who married Doorman/Dorman sisters have been assotiated with places near Carrickfergus, including Carrickfergus itself, Straid, and Silevetrue. Hazel had mentioned that of the brothers, one is listed as originally from Ballyvannon in the Parish of Glenavy, a second is from the Parish of Tullyrusk, and the third may or may not be associated with Ballinacoy. I had been presuming that the parishes of Glenavy and Tullyrusk were thus somewhere in the Carrickfergus area. Sue traced her ancestor to Ballypitmave in Glenavy, and it was only then that I found out that Glenavy (and neighboring Tullyrusk) are actually some 15-20 miles South-east of the Carrickfergus area and thus actually closer to the cities of Belfast and Lisburn than they are to Carrickfergus!
Of other sites in Antrim assotiated with Weatherup and Weatherup researchers, that leaves: Ballyclare, Ballynure, Larne, Lisburn, (& Belfast according to the historical research center, though I haven't yet met anyone who has said they were looking for Weatherups there other than very recent ancestors). At any rate, Lisburn and Belfast are the closest cities to the Glenavy area, so they are likely connected in that manner.
The Larne branch is known to be a branch of the Ballyclare Weatherups. Both Ballyclare and Ballynure are near Straid and not far from Carrickfergus so they all likely connect into the Carrickfergus/Straid/Silevetrue. Note: While I've never found Silevetrue it is said to be "near Straid, about halfway between the towns of Carrickfergus and Ballynure".
That only leaves one questionable reference to a Ballinacoy, which may not even be relevant. Does anyone know where Ballinacoy is in relation to these other locations?
At any rate, the overall region could be described as the Clandeboy region of Southern County Antrim, but it would appear that most of the branches likely originally trace back to the more narrow area around Glenavy in South-West/South-Central Antrim (and not the Carrickfergus area).
I don't know how to use this site and can't access the most recent blogs. My niece, a Weatherup, has just opened a bar in New York. She's from Chichester. My husband is a Bangor Weatherup.
the sleivetrue that you are having trouble finding is a road just north of the dams off the rawbrae road. My great grandmother was born in a farm on that road. do you have any information about her father david weatherup.
Elinor- I still don't know how to contact you. You can email me at Gecko_G at-sign email dot com
jhopkins- Thank you for the Sleivitrue info. It's interesting how many place names in Northern Ireland are actually road names and not a particular settlement.
I don't think we have any info on this David, but if you could give more info it might help, especially a timeframe or the name of his daughter (your GtGrandmother)
hello. Finally I have made contact. I married into a Weatherup family but don't know any of the connections apart from the fact my father in law came from Belfast. (Norman Weatherup)
My name is Alison Weatherup and I am the only Weatherup left in my family line. My father was William Weatherup b. 1920 of Ballyvernstown, Larne, Co. Antrim who died 18th October 1999. He was the son of Thomas Weatherup, also of Ballyvernstown, Larne, who in turn was the son of William Weatherup believed to be of the Middle Road area of Carrickfergus, thought to be born C. 1800. William Weatherup married Margaret Alexander of Magheramore, who then went on to buy the farm at Ballyvernstown. I still live at that location and believe Weatherup's to have lived at Ballyvernstown since the mid-1800s.
My ancestry is thought to go back to Alexander Weatherup (B. Circa 1728). He had 3 sons - James Weatherup - William Weatherup, it is suspected that him and/or his heir's went to Canada - Alexander or Thomas Weatherup ( who had 4 sons:- - John Weatherup (178_-185_) He and his son went to Northern New York (St. Lawrence Co.) - Thomas Weatherup (~1789-1864) of the middle Division, Carrickfergus - Samuel Weatherup (~1800-1873) of Silevetrue, West Division, Carrickfergus - William Weatherup (my great Grandfather)
Hope this is helpful and would like to keep in touch with anyone from my family tree.
Hi, This is more for Alison Weatherup, but there may also be a connection from earlier ancestors.
I'm trying to find information on my great-grandmother Elizabeth Junkin/Jenkins,it's a bit of a mystery about her life. There is a record for an Eliza Jenkins married to a John Weatherup in 1885 and this was her name in the 1911 census, along with my grandfather John, born Larne 1903(no father on birth certificate). The problem is that there is no record of her on the 1901 census which, makes me believe that she may have been married at this time. The Weatherup name has came up in relation to the Junkin family, Ann Weatherup married to a John Junkin around 1810 - 1815. Her father was also a John Weatherup.
There is a John Weatherup born in 1852 who died in 1898, and this would tie it all together, if this was the case.
I was just wondering if any of this might tie in with your family genealogy? My great-grandmothers parents where married in Carrickfergus, but I believe lived in Raloo area, with William Junkin, my gg grandfather from around the Ballynure area. Her mother was Elizabeth Gault, also from around that part of Co. Antrim possibly Glynn area.
My name is Cat Weatherup. I have a sister, Elle, and a brother, Shawn. We've always heard we were descended from Carrickfergus. We're the only Weatherups left in our branch, so we have little info to go on.
I'm wondering if my family can be tied into the comments that mention William Weatherup, whose sons moved to Canada and/or Northern New York. We're from New York and also heard rumor that our ancestors had landed in Canada, before coming down to NY. Or perhaps just moved directly to NY. Not sure on that one.
I'm going to do more research so I have something to offer this blog, but wanted to introduce myself.
I think we may be cousins. Cheers! ( ; I still need to do more research (going on ancestry.com after this) but I think Alexander's son, John Weatherup, who went to NY, may just be my great grandfather. My grandfather's name was Cecil. His father was John, his mother was Christine who was 100% Swedish.
Just a quick note for now, as I had forgotten to check the "email follow up comments" box and wanted to make sure I had this time.
Jack Houston Weatherup 1926-1996 (my dad) Cecil John Weatherup 1897-1982 (my grandfather) John Weatherup b. 1856 Westfield, NY (great grandfather) married Christine. Children: Vernor, Hazel, Vanna, and Cecil. John Weatherup b. 1825 Belfast (gr gr grndfather) came to NY in 1849 when he was 24 years old. Married Margaret.
I'd love to hear from anyone related and will add more soon as able!
What I wrote above as "Silevetrue" I see that I have written elsewhere in my records as "Slievetrue" which I believe is a place on the outskirts of Belfast. One is undoutably a typo, but I don't know which is correct. Further jhopkins wrote above about "Sleivetrue" in his/her comment. All very subtle spelling variations that makes me cautious.
Alison & Terry- more Larne Weatherup's, eh? Alexandria Weatherup-Leach from Ontario had provided what little info we had on the Weatherups from that area, specifically that a) her uncle still lives in Larne (specifically the town, not just the district), b) Her father's cousin left for the states when her father was very young. c) her family is connected to one of "the 2 Weatherup families in the Ballyclare area of Northern Ireland" specifically the branch related (somehow) to the Robert Weatherup & Mary Ferguson (and that the other Ballyclare branch might have been Scottish). d) Some Cousins of her father live in the Southern part of County Antrim, and e) her great grandfather James Weatherup had twin brothers, one believed to be named John.
Alison- I think the second part of your post is copied from my Weatherup webpage since even the formatting is the same. How sure you that William (sibling of John, Thomas, & Samuel) is the same as your great grandfather William b. circa 1800 who married Margaret Alexander? It seems there's a couple of William's in that time frame. Also, be aware that some sources apparently confuse William [sibling of John, Thomas, & Samuel] with his uncle William (who is one of the three who apparently married Do(o)rman sisters). Where is Ballyvernstown in relation to say Ballnure, Ballyclare, or the town of Larne, or someother place, to help me locate it?
I'll reply to Terry and Cat in my next comment to keep this from getting too long.
Terry- Let me see if I can summarize what you wrote to make sure I followed it correctly:
A) Your great-grandmother Elizabeth "Eliza" Jenkins or Junkin married a John Weatherup in 1885 but she was listed under her maiden name in the 1911 census, and you can't find her in the 1901 census? Did you find John in the 1901? B) Your grandfather John was born in 1903 with no father listed on the birthcertificate, C) You also have an Ann Weatherup who married John Junkin and that Ann's father was a "John Weatherup". D) You've found a John Weatherup, born 1852, died 1898, and your wondering if this John Weatherup might be the father of Ann (from C) and also be the same person as John Weatherup husband of Eliza (from A)? Is that correct?
Definately seems possible (Though John is a common enough name that there's not enough to say for sure), It also would not be uncommon for the era to have two marriages between the same families (the two marriages between Weatherup's and Jenkin/Junkin) (ie look-up the term "kissing cousins"). However, if he [John Weatherup from 'D'] died in 1898 that would mean he was not your great grandfather since he couldn't of fathered your grandfather in 1903.
It's telling me my comment is too long, so I'll have to respond to Cat in a seperate comment.
Cat- I responded to some of your messages in the other post, and I see now you are the same Cat I was thinking of. From correspondence with either you or your sister I had info on your sub-branch, and to summarize, based on the best info we have, we are both from what I've always described as the "Western NY" (or Chatauqua Co.) branch not the "Northern NY" (or DeKalb Co.) branch, and back to the Glenavy area (specifically Ballyvannon) possibly via Carrickfergus. Of course the two New York lines are supposed to descend from 2 of the 3 brothers who [all 3] married Dorman or Doorman sisters (William from my previous comment being the 3rd brother). We had previously thought that all the Canadian Weatherups descend somehow from the third brother, but Sue's research has disproved that, since at least one of the larger branch's come from a prior Weatherup immigrant from Ballypitmave (which is also in Glenavy, so it seems likely that there is still a connection somehow-somewhere).
Some of the dates you give for your ancestors are different from the information I had previously from either you or your sister. I'm particularly interested in the earliest ancestor you mention "John Weatherup b. 1825 Belfast (gr gr grndfather) came to NY in 1849 when he was 24 years old. Married Margaret." That would be my gr gr gr grndfather, John B. Weatherup, a Tailor, who married Margaret Houston from Carrickfergus (or possibly "Huston", but that seems more likely a typo on the 1880 census entry for Margaret's father) 9 Nov. 1845 and died in 1899. However I have that he was born May 2nd, 1823. I don't remember off the top of my head where that date came from nor how reliable it is, and I don't have time at the moment to dig through my files to find out. Nor did I ever have any precise birthplace for either him nor his father John Weatherup (1785-1843 who might of been called "Jack") but only that the elder John's father, James Weatherup (one of the brothers who married the Do{o}rman sisters) was born in Ballyvannon (but is called "of Carrickfergus" in some records, so I presumed he had moved to Carrickfergus, but I never did prove any of that). I believe a Belfast birthplace would be slightly closer to Glenavy (his grandfathers birthplace) than a Carrickfergus birthplace like I had always assumed for John B. (but again, never proved). Do you recal where the "Belfast" tidbit came from?
I also never could narrow down John B. Weatherup and families (himself, wife, father-in-law, & one or more children) immigration date more precisely than the 1845-1850 (most likely between 1847 & 1849) timeframe. You wrote specifically 1849. Did you find a new record I'm not aware of? I do remember at one point coming across a record of a John Weatherup, a immigrant Tailor, in New York City at one point, but I never got around to following it up and now I don't remember where I had found that (don't know if it was even him or not, the story others had heard had always been that they came via the St. Lawrence, not via NYC, so I don't know).
This is a note just to clarify some of own findings. My name is Alison Mary Weatherup, I am the only Weatherup left in our Weatherup line. My father was William Weatherup. b.1920, d.1999, he was married to Jinny Moore, b. 1927, d. 2009. I live at the family home in Ballyvernstown (a townland outside the village of Glynn). The family first resided at the same location c. 1865. My grandfather was Thomas Weatherup, son of William Weatherup (my great grandfather) and Margaret Alexander. William Weatherup is known to have originated in the Middle Division, Carrickfergus. My great, great grandfather was also named William and we assumed lived in the same area of Carrickfergus. From a family grave I have found out that William's wife Mary lived her last days with William and Margaret Alexander and died at the age of 93 years. This would make her date of birth c. 1803, therefore we can assume that my great, great Grandfather William was also born in and around this date. The burial site of William is unknown. Hi Cat, this is exciting finding potential cousins, particularly when I thought I was a dying breed!! Regarding the search Ballyinacoy, are you sure you don't mean Ballynacoy, which is a townland outside Glenavy. The old townland naming system has now become defunct in Northern Ireland, so you can get many variations of spelling and I know this can become very confusing. Hope this helps.
Hi relatives! I am also a Weatherup descendant! My grandmother, Mary Ellen,one of five children,was born in 1906 on the Slievetrue farm Carrickfergus. Her father(my great-grandfather) was Thomas Weatherup born c.1877. His father was the David Weatherup 1834-1914, who JHopkins was probably looking for. David's father would have been Samuel ~1800-1873 of the Slievetrue farm, who was one of the four sons of Alexander/ Thomas Weatherup- (one of the 3 brothers who married the 3 Dorman sisters apparently). Glad of any info I can get/give.
Alison- ok so, it wasn't William Weatherup (who married Margaret Alexander, your great-grandparents) who was born c.1800, but rather that William's father, also named William Weatherup (who married Mary who died 1896 aged 93, your great-great-grandparents) who was born roughly 1800 and thus who is quite possibly the same as William Weatherup - sibling of John, Thomas, & Samuel. The addition of an extra generation there does make the timing seem more plausible. Which of the two William's is the one you described as "believed to be of the Middle Road area of Carrickfergus"?
Glynn huh?, that came up in Terry's post (above). According to Wikipedia thats on the shores of Larne Lough, right? My best map of the area shows the towns of Larne, Glenoe (A tad-bit inland along a unnamed river or stream) and Ballycarry (on the main road and railline towards Whitehead and thence on to Carrickfergus) along the west shore of Larne Lough.
regarding Ballinacoy/Ballynacoy: The "Bally-" prefix certaintly seems more likely given how it seems like a third of the placenames in Northern Ireland all start with "Bally-" (obviously it must mean something in Irish like "settlement/town/village of..."), and if that's near Glenavy, then that makes it seem even more likely given the context.
gshay- Sounds then like your closest relative we know of is Neal (I'll email him and point him to your post). He is descended from David's sister Margaret.
I am descended from Samuel Weatherup (1800-1873) through his daughter Margaret Weatherup who married Thomas Boyd. Their daughter Mary Ellen Boyd married William George Curran, and their son Charles Hilditch Curran was my grandfather.
So gshay and myself are indeed cousins!
I also believe that Alison's William Weatherup (1800-1875) is a brother of Samuel's, so again Alison is another cousin!
William's daughter Anne Weatherup married a James Boyd who was a brother of my aforementioned Thomas Boyd. Gets complicated!
I have William Weatherup marrying a Margaret Thompson on Ballynure Presybterian Church on 22 March 1825. Alison - did he marry for a second time to Mary?
I have found most, if not all, of Samuel's and William's children. I have come across a David Weatherup who is either a much older brother of Samuel and William or he may be their father.
I was born/bred in Carrickfergus though now live in England. I still have family in Carrickfergus and am back there usually at least once a year.
Thanks Geko & Neal for your reply. I am completely new to family researching & was surprised to find close links to my Weatherup connections. I was born/bred in Newtownabbey, not far from Knockagh area & know the Slievetrue area well. Lots of our relatives still live there. My grandmother ( Mary Ellen Weatherup, 1906-1989) as I had said,was born & grew up on the farm. Her mother was a Maggie Mcbrinn(died c.1925) married to Thomas Weatherup (c.1877-1960?). I see a Maggie Weatherup mentioned in a will of a John Mcbrinn, Carrick farmer, & assume this is her. Maybe this has some interest to someone. Thanks Neal for the info on our ancestors - it is very interesting. Good to see my great- great grandfather ( David) had a sister Margaret who also carried on the bloodline. Do you know anything about the other sister Jane Hilditch?
Being on a dial-up internet connection, I tend to stay away from online map sites, but I finally bit the bullet and looked up all these places (except "Silevetrue/Slievetrue" which I couldn't find, but I know roughly where it is). I'm working on a geographical glossary of all these places.
Neal- Do you still believe Samuel (& William) are the same as the Samuel and William (& John & Thomas) who are the children of one of the Weatherup-Do(o)rman marriages (the one that some say is Alexander Weatherup, others Thomas Weatherup)
gshay- just as I was reading your new message I was downloading a map in another window that just happened to show Knockagh. How fortuitous! I take it this Jane Hilditch is a sister of David & Margaret?
Yes Gecko, Jane Hilditch is named in the will of Samuel Weatherup (~1800-1873) as his daughter from Carrickfergus, - from " PRONI". I have no other info on her as yet. As you are looking maps of here perhaps you should, when searching for Slievetrue, start from Knockagh area first. The Knockagh Hill with prominent Knockagh monument (war memorial) is on the west side of Belfast Lough. Going a short distance away from the shore from say, Jordanstown (just north of Belfast), takes you to Monkstown above which is the Knockagh Road. Not far up this bendy country road you come to a T junction - right is still Knockagh Rd & to the monument, but left is the Slievetrue Rd! Hope this helps. There are photos on the web of area & i found a Utube video of "canoe up the Knockagh in the snow" which is taken on the Slievetrue Rd. It shows some crazy locals but worth a look.
Jane Weatherup was born on 15 Jan 1835, baptised in Ballynure Presbyterian Church on 25 Feb 1835, and died Jan-Feb quarter 1903. She married Charles Hilditch on 24 Jun 1864 in Joymount Presbyterian Church, Carrickfergus. Charles Hilditch was born around 1841 and died Oct-Dec quarter 1919. My grandfather was named Charles Hilditch Curran after him. They had 7 children I know of - Ellen (b 18 Jul 1864), Robert (b 20 Apr 1866, d 1870), Mary (b 27 Jul 1868, d 1871), another Robert (b 12 Jan 1871), twin Mary (b 12 Jan 1871), Samuel Weatherup (b 11 Feb 1873), Charles (b 21 Aug 1875).
Samuel Weatherup married Ellenor (Ellen) Hall on 15 April 1823 in Ballynure Presbyterian Church. They had 6 children that I know of - Margaret (b 7 Nov 1823), Ellen (b 18 Jun 1826), Thomas (b 3 Sep 1829), David (b 11 Aug 1832, d 29 Nov 1914), Jane (b 15 Jan 1835, d Jan-Mar quarter 1903) and Mary (b 24 Apr 1838).
William Weatherup (b abt 1800, d 26 Aug 1875) married Margaret Thompson on 22 Mar 1825 in Ballynure Presbyterian Church.
They had 8 children I know of :-
Jane (b 3 Mar 1826), Anne (b 3 Jan 1829, d 31 Mar 1869), Mary (b 25 Jul 1832), David (b 26 Mar 1835), another David (b 26 Mar 1837), another Jane (b 6 Jun 1840), Samuel (b 16 Jan 1846), Eliza (b 13 Jan 1849).
I presume the first David and Jane died previous to the births of the second David and Jane.
I am in contact with a descendant of Anne Weatherup. Anne married James Boyd, the brother of Thomas Boyd who married Margaret Weatherup (daughter of Samuel).
I am still not sure who the father of Samuel and William Weatherup was, though I am fairly sure Samuel and William were brothers rather than say cousins.
There was certainly a David Weatherup in that area who was much older than Samuel and William, perhaps by 20 years or a little more. And the Thomas and John Weatherup mentioned in previous comments were also much older than Samuel and William. With siblings being born over a period of 20 - 25 years, it could however very well be that John, Thomas, David, Samuel and William are indeed all brothers.
I have also come across an Andrew Weatherup in the Ballynure area who seems to be a little younger than Samuel and William. Another brother? or a son of Thomas or John or David?
I had been leaning towards David being the father of Samuel and William but having read comments here I am not so sure again.
The father of them all could have been the third brother Alexander / Thomas who married the third Dorman sister.
Also Mojo1970 mentioned Ann Weatherup. I believe she was born about 1788, died 20 Jun 1865 in Straid and was married to a John Jenkins (or Junkins). A sister of John, Thomas, David, Samuel and William?
There was a mention earlier of Robert Weatherup and Mary Ferguson. I have them as married in Joymount Presbyterian Church, Carrickfergus on 10 Jul 1918. I believe that Robert's father was James Weatherup and that he was the son of Thomas Weatherup (b about 1789, d 18 Jan 1864) and Mary (b about 1794, d 15 Oct 1869). This Thomas Weatherup is the one I mentioned in my previous comment. James Weatherup was an executor of Samuel Weatherup's will.
for those who might be unfamiliar, "PRONI" mentioned by gshay is the "Public Records Office of Northern Ireland"
gshay- Found Slievetrue Road thanks to your description! Thank you! I see it's also another name, albeit two words "Slieve True", for what the map I had been using called "Carn Hill" (both names show up when I zoomed to the highest close-up) and that another map had as an unnamed 312m peak. jhopkins had wrote "a road just north of the dams off the rawbrae road", I didn't find any 'rawbrae' road but I'm guessing "the dams" are the woodburn resevoir's, although they are to the east, not south of Slievetrue. Or perhaps "Slievetrue" and "Sleivetrue" are two different places and jhopkins was refering to the latter.
Neal- wow, lots of new info there, still absorbing it but a few things pop out-
All these marriages and baptisms in Presbyterian churchs... So it seems likely that my ancestors were Presbyterian BEFORE emmigrating and not just after.
David Weatherup, son of Samuel, was born 1832 and not 1834?
the William Weatherup (~1800-1875, m. Margaret Thompson) is the same one who was a Witness to Samuel's will, right?
That Anne Weatherup (1829-1869, m. James Boyd) would be the same one that the Harris's are looking for then. I'll email them and point them to your post, though they appeared to have some different dates (they had that she died 1865 and had some unspecified record about her allegedly from 1788).
Looks like "Boyd" can be added as one of those families with multiple Weatherup marriages, along with Do(o)rman, Hendren, & Haskill (did I miss any others?)
Ballynure Weatherup's- good to see some info on Weatherup's from there, I've heard that there are/were lots of Weatherup's in Ballynure but I didn't think anyone had really looked at them yet. Sue even has some British National Archives record of a "John Witherop" from Ballynure who joined the army specifically the 71st Foot Regiment, 3rd Garrison Battalion (whom she had thought was here Army ancestor John "the Gunner" Weatherup) that lists him as born "Ballinare", signed up at Derry, was a labourer in the army, and was discharged after 16 years with a pension aged 48 "in 1816 at Chatham after getting a fever in Portugal a year before after having served for some 16 years including re-enlisting after the 1st 15 years.", meaning he was born around 1764. (though I always wondered why he went all the way to Derry to enlist...)
I wonder, did the James, son of Thomas, have at least 2 grandsons, one who lived in Larne and one named Alexander who's ashes are "buried in the family plot in Ballyclare". Though on second look I guess one or more generations would be missing inbetween there.
I have various possible birth dates for David son of Samuel, derived from censuses and age at marriage/death. They range around the 1834 mark, but I'm fairly sure that he really was born in 1832 from the entry I have seen in the Ballynure Presbyterian Church records.
Yes I believe that the William who witnessed Samuel's will is the William (1800-1875) who married Margaret Thompson. This is part of my thinking that they were probably brothers.
The "Raw Brae" road, as us locals call it, is marked as the "Red Brae" road on maps. I'm not sure where the "raw" or "red" comes from, but "brae" is a Scottish word for hill or hillside. The "Red Brae" road is long and steep (12% slope in places)! Many's a time I have struggled up it in my youth.
To find it on a map follow the "North Road" northwards out of Carrickfergus, then when this road gets to the "Marshalltown Road" it turns in the "Red Brae" road.
Google street maps are available for the Carrickfergus / Ballynure area so you can see what this road actually looks like, and of course see what Carrickfergus, Ballynure and the surrounding countryside looks like!
ah, thanks Neal, found it now. Though I don't see what dam's jhopkins was refering to (though there's some further east). It's looking like "rawbrae rd." is not genealogically significant for us then.
With the help of you and gshay I've now learned where these places are, so I thought I'd share as well and help those who are not familiar with the area, and so I have prepared a map:
I highlighted Ballyclare, Ballynure, & Straid (Carrickfergus should be obvious enough), and I traced Slievetrue (sp?) Rd. in Red and Rawbrae Rd. in Blue. That's the correct one's, right?
I think that jhopkins meant the Woodburn Reservoirs when he said 'dams'. My g-g-grandfather Curran worked on the building of the reservoirs. There were built around 1870 I think, to primarily supply water to Belfast. There was much controversy at the time as farmland had to be requisitioned to build them on.
I have come across quite an interesting and informative web site about the Glenavy area http://www.glenavyhistory.com/index.html
If you use the "search the site" box for Witherup and Weatherup you will find some items about our "relatives". There is a particularly interesting, but sad 1897 article, about an 80-year old John Witherup.
Either they've added a lot more to that Glenavy site since last I visited, or (equally likely) I didn't realise the subpages had more info if you scroll'd down past the whitespace.
Most of the info there on specific Weatherup's is after our various ancestors (apparently) left that area, but still some good tidbits in there (local lore is that their descendents apparently might of become the "Withers" family- see the response to Sue's post on that site's forum from Feb. 2008). It seems likely that all the Weatherup's descend from there prior to being the Ballyclare/Ballynure/Carrickfergus/Larne/Silevetrue/Straid/etc. Weatherup's. To keep this post/thread from getting too long I'm planning on starting a new post/thread (I'm not sure the proper blog terminology) for discussing just the Glenavy area Weatherup's, just give me a bit to get my wording ready.
Every couple of years I do a search for the Griffith's valuation (which in Antrim & Carrickfergus was compiled 1861-1862) and it seem each time I find a new site with a searchable index or extract, and each time I find more Weatherup's than the last time I searched. For all (or at least most?) American and Canadian Weatherup's, our ancestors had left Antrim before 1862, but the info is useful to those of you with Weatherup ancestry elsewhere or with later Antrim Weatherup connections.
This time I found the one at http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch.
I did 4 search's, for "Weatherup" "Weatherop" "Witherup" & "Witherop", selecting "Include similar names" each time, and got 18 results, all in Antrim. There's an option to open a scan of a full transcript, but on my dial-up it takes for ever to load, so I've only done a few of them in detail (ie I'll post the full info from the 3 glenavy entries over on that post)
format: Name Immediate Lessor Place
Alexander Witherupp Marquis of Hertford Ballymote (Twnland), Glenavy (Parish), Lisburn (Union), Upper Massereene
Andrew Witherup Richardson brothers West Division (Twnland), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
David Witherup Marquis of Downshire Dairyland (Twnlnd), Ballynure (Parish), Larne (Union), Lower Belfast
James Weatherup Representatives of John Legge West Street, Carrickfergus (Twnland), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
James Weatherup James Wilson West Irish Quarter, Carrickfergus (Twnland), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
James Witherup Thomas Witherup Ballynere, Middle Division (Twnlnd), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
James Witherupp John G. Murray Ballynacoy (Townland), Glenavy (Parish), Lisburn (Union), Upper Massereene
James Witherupp Marquis of Hertford Ballypitmave (Townland), Glenavy (Parish), Lisburn (Union), Upper Massereene
John Witherup Marquis of Downshire Dairyland (Twnlnd), Ballynure (Parish), Larne (Union), Lower Belfast
John Witherup Marquis of Downshire West Division (Twnland), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
Samuel Witherup Marquis of Downshire West Division (Twnland), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
Samuel Witherup Marquis of Downshire West Division (Twnland), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
Thomas Weatherop William Stewart Taylor's Avenue, Carrickfergus (Twnlnd), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
Thomas Witherup Valentine W. Magill Ballynere, Middle Division (Twnlnd), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
Thomas Witherup Valentine W. Magill Ballynere, Middle Division (Twnlnd), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
William Witherup Jane D. Wilson West Division (Townland), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
William Witherup Marquis of Downshire West Division (Townland), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
So it looks like we can 3 new places: -Dairyland, which I saw on a map, about a mile (or less) east of Straid -Ballynere, somewhere in the Middle Division of Carrickfergus -& Townparks in Shankill parish (?)
By chance I have been looking at the Weatherups in the Tithe Applotment Valuations which preceded Griffiths. The following Weatherups are listed for the Carrickfergus/Ballynure areas :-
1816 James - Eden near Carrickfergus John - Ballylaggan near Ballynure William - Ballylaggan near Ballynure Samuel - Siskin, West Division, Carrickfergus Thomas - Ardboley, Middle Division, Carrickfergus
1826 David - Straidlands near Ballynure John - Straidlands near Ballynure John Senior - Straidlands near Ballynure
1833 David - Straidlands near Ballynure John - Straidlands near Ballynure
Given the date of 1816, Samuel and William above are unlikely to be the Samuel and William born around 1800 but an earlier generation. The Thomas is possibly the Thomas born 1789 that we know of.
I also started looking at the Irish civil registration indexes at familysearch.com for deaths of male Weatherups registered in the Larne district (which includes Ballynure, Carrickfergus, Raloo, Larne) who were born before civil registration of births began in 1864 in order to get an approximate year of birth. Also Weatherup marriages up to about 1885 as again these could show up Weatherup births before 1864. There is a very long list of Weatherups who were born before 1864, with lots of repetition of forenames!!!
I am starting to try to make some sense of these using the 1901 and 1911 census and other info at familysearch.com to see if I can at least get a fuller picture of Weatherups families in the Ballynure/Carrickfergus area in the early 1800s. That might give us a clue about the preceding generation maybe back to about 1770.
The earliest birth in my list is an Alexander Wetherup b 1789 d 1864. I may send off for his death certificate in case the place of death or informant gives any clue as to where he fits in. Alexander is a known Weatherup forename in the 1700s but I don't remember seeing any Alexanders in the 1800s or 1900s.
Eden, Ballylaggan, & Straidlands near Ballynure. Siskin & Ardboley in the West and Middle (respectively), divisons of Carrickfergus.
Eden sounds familiar - but perhaps that's cause I'm thinking of Eden in New York (where I've got ancestry on another line).
I've seen "Straidlands" marked on maps but never as a single place. I've often wondered if it might be something more akin to the "Divisions" of Carrickfergus or just a term refering to "the countryside around Straid" ?
Eden is a village a few miles outside of Carrickfergus on the road towards Larne. Straidlands is a "townland" adjacent to the village of Straid - a townland is just an area of countryside, so you are right in suggesting that.
A little while back some new houses were built in Eden, and the little street they were built on has been given the name "Garden of Eden" !!!
The West, Middle and North East Divisions are much larger than most townlands, about five times larger. The area around Carrickfergus town out as far as Straid in the north and Eden in the east, was in fact a county in its own right, like County Antrim, until 1898 when it was merged with County Antrim. It was the County of the Town of Carrickfergus and you see it written as such on old birth, marriage and death certificates.
In the early 1600s the corporation and freeman of Carrickfergus were given permission to divide out this land around Carrickfergus amongst themselves. The first main divisions were the West, Middle and North East ones, hence the names. These were then subdivided further amongst the individual corporation members and freemen.
As well as the Divisions which were good arable land, there was a fourth area called "The Commons" ie common-land which was less good for farming and really only for rough grazaing.
I've now posted all the full entries from Griffith's over on the respective sections of the blog for Weatherups in Glenavy and in Carrickfergus/Ballynure/Ballyclare/etc., but there is one entry that doesn't fit in either of them so I guess I'll post it here:
Name: Thomas Weatheropp (note: the double p is in a few of the entries) Immediate Lessor: St.John Coats ("St.John" seems like an odd first name, maybe this is a organisation?) page: 157 location: Brown's Street, Townparks (Townlnd), Smithfield Ward (noted as "within the Parliamentary Boundary"), Shankill (Parish), Belfast (Union), Upper Belfast (Barony) Lot (Tenement?) #: 82? (hard to read) Description: House, shed, and yard Acreage: - Taxable or Rateable Annual Valuation: - (Land), £4 (Buildings), £4 (total)
There really doesn't seem to be much work going on with the Ballynure Weatherups! I notice Andrew mentioned. I have two: b1873 son of William John Weatherup & Mary Eliza Hall; b 1890 son of Samuel Weatherup & Matilda Hall (the wives are sisters don't know about the husbands).
Quick question: I have a photograph which shows a Mrs Weatherup (my father's great aunt) who's husband was a resident magistrate. Looks as if the husband is William son of William John & Mary Eliza (brother of one of the aforementioned Andrews). Anyone know Mrs Weatherup's name (and any other details) so I can file this photo?
electrictelegraph: We forked the Ballynure discussions to here, but we don't have much yet so any input would be appreciated! The William John Weatherup & Mary Eliza Hall would appear to be the same ones as William John & Mary Weatherup in the 1901 & 1911 census records.
regarding the Weatherup magistrate, While googling Weatherup I often come across things talking about this and that ruling by a "Justice Weatherup" in Northern Ireland, but I never paid to much attention to them figuring it was a modern day (living) descendent.
regarding the Hall's, it would seem then that there's yet another "allied familiy", so to speak. In fact, Neal- wasn't your & gshay's ancestor Samuel W.'s (~1800-1873) spouse a Hall? Elenor or Ellen?
Unfortunately I haven't yet come across a William born to William John and Mary Eliza Hall. I only have Margaret Jane (b1866), John (b1868) as well as Andrew. Do you happen to know who William John's parents were?
Yes Gecko my g-g-g-grandmother was a Hall and I believe she was related to these other Halls mentioned. I did have a family tree of Halls showing various Weatherup marriages to Halls. I was looking for it the other day but so far I can't lay my hands on it. Will keep looking!
Electrictelegraph: www.emeraldancestors.com shows four possible William Weatherups for the Mrs Weatherup you are after. These are the marriage dates and spouses.
1898 william WEATHERUP annie 1899 william WEATHERUP elizabeth 1900 william WEATHERUP margaret jane 1906 william WEATHERUP florence e
I don't have a current subscription to the site so cannot see the surnames of the spouses. If you had a subscription you would see these surnames and would also be able to find out the name/location of the church where the marriage took place - this may give a clue as to which one of the four is the 'correct' one.
BTW I did have a subscription to emeraldancestors.com a while back and downloaded the details of all the Weatherup births/marriages/deaths up until about 1894 which must have been all they had online at the time. A one-month subscription costs £9.99 sterling and is great value for looking up marriage details. As I said they provide the name of the church which you usually need when ordering the marriage certificate particularly for Belfast marriages.
to Alison & Terry- I hope you two are still following this.
Alison- Was your grandfather Thomas born in 1880? I think the birth of him and various siblings is included in Sue's Glenavy records.
Terry- I think you'll be interested in the Hall (and Junkins) discussions going on over on the Carrickfergus/Ballynure Weatherup's section of the blog.
I downloaded portions from "Heads and Hearths: The Hearth Money Rolls and Poll Tax Returns for Co. Antrim 1660-69" edited by S.T. Carleton, M.A. I looked at entries in the Massereene, Carrickfergus, & Belfast Baronies, and the closest was a John Wethred/Wetherhead in Money Cromocke (Moneycrumog?) in the Parish of Ballinderry, Barony of Massereene. Though other transcriptions of the 1669 roll don't include him (ie in the glenavy book). Ballinderry is Glenavy's southern neighbor and was also part of the Conway estate along with the Glenavy are. Other than that the next closest would one or two "Weatherspoon" type entries that I didn't think were very promising.
So, unless that Wethred is connected, and presuming that they were not in one of the other baronies, (or unless the Weatherup ancestor was a clergyman - they were exempt and not recorded) it would seem we have an earliest boundry for Weatherup records in Co. Antrim.
Also found an interesting earlier tie between Killiltagh (and thus Glenavy) and Carrickfergus. In that history and antiquities of carrickfergus book which I linked to on the other post, from pg 78 in the timeline for 1741 is the following:
120 persons, tenants of lord Conway belonging to Killultagh, were admitted freemen of this corporation, by merely having a ticket sent them to that effect ! Same year the forementioned persons marched in with beat of drum, to poll at an election for a burgess to serve in parliament ! This very much exasperated many of the resident freemen, who considered such an innovatian an encroachment on their liberties; and a scuffle took place between the parties, in which the Killultagh men were worsted, and had their drum broken. They, however, polled, and made a considerable majority in favour of Francis Clements, esquire, who was in consequence returned by the sheriffs.
I wonder if a Weatherup might of been amongst those 120 and might of become a freeman of Carrickfergus at that early a date.
It's too much info to post all of it here, but I've got it all in a .txt file complete with URL's of the respective entries, for easy searching if anyone wants a copy or wants me to search for something.
In all there were 37 households having one or more Weatherup surnamed individuals (that includes 1 "Witherup" widow in Glenavy)- 30 in Antrim & 7 in other counties (2 in Down, 1 each in Cork, Londonderry, Louth, Mayo, & Tyrone). between them there are 125 individuals listed, 107 in Antrim and 18 in other counties (9 in Down, 4 in Louth, 2 each in Londonderry & Mayo, 1 each in Cork and Tyrone). Over half are in Carrickfergus where there are 19 households with 84 individuals. 21 of the Entries covering 66 individuals are Presbyterian (including 2 entries {2 families} covering 7 individuals outside of Antrim) 7 of the Entries covering 32 individuals are Baptists (including 1 entry of a lone individual outside Antrim in Co Tyrone) - it looks like most of them are various descendents of James Weatherup & Elizabeth Donald. 3 of the Entries covering 14 individuals are Congregationalists (all in Antrim - 2 in Carrickfergus, 1 in Ballynure). 3 of the Entries covering 8 individuals are listed as either Church of Ireland or "Church of Ireland St Patrick" (Is there a difference?) (all but 1 individual is outside of Antrim). 2 of the Entries covering 4 individuals are Methodists (one couple in Antrim, and one couple in Co Mayo). 1 individual in Co. Cork is Roman Catholic - an 11 year old student named William in a boarding house.
They are spread over 25 Townlands or Streets in 17 different Parish's or Wards: Dairylands in Ballynure Green Street, Middle Division, North East Division, Scotch Quarter, Unity Street, West Division, & West Street in Carrickfergus or "Carrickfergus Rural" Foyle Street in Clifton Moyola Street, Ruth Street, & Shore Road in Duncairn Ward or "Duncairn Ward, Belfast" Ballynacoy in Glenavy Ballyvernstown in Glynn Altilevelly in Raboo Samuel St. in St. Anne's Ward Blackhill in Templecorran Lisburn Road in Windsor outside of Antrim: Greenmount, Cork Urban No. 5, Co Cork Doughas Street, Ormeau, Co Down White Star Street, Victoria, Co Down Catherine Street, Limavaddy, Co Londonderry Mary Street South, Dundalk Urban No.3, Co Louth Goreendrunagh, Castlebar Urban, Co Mayo James's St., Cookstown, Co Tyrone
Given Names: Agnes, Agnes Marion (x2), Andrew (x3), Annie (x2), Anthony P, Arthur, Beatrice, Bessie Donald, Charles, David (x2), Donald, Edwin, Elizabeth, Elsie, Emily, Ethal F, Frances Amelia, Grace K, Helena, Irene M, Irvine, James (x8), Jane (x4), Jane Davidson, Jeanie, Jennie, John (x7), Johnston, Leah, Lizzie (x6), Maggie (x3), Margaret (x3), Martha, Mary (x9), Mary A, Mary Ann (x2), Mary Ellen (x2), Maryjane, Matilda, Matthew (x2), Maud, May, Richard, Robert, Rosie (x2), Samuel (x8), Sara, Sarah, Sarah Greenshields, Selina, Susie, Thomas (x7), Thomas D, Thomas P, Walter, William (x10), William Frederick, William J, William James, William Jno.
I notice Gecko is concerned about spelling of townlands (eg Slievetrue - which is in West Division, Carrick). Spellings of proper nouns of any description are notoriously arbitrary. I once had to create a website for a village which had 3 different spellings, all current (the roadsign on one road had one spelling at one end and another at the other). Spellings in church records also seem to be phonetic at times.
On Gecko's post re: Withers (June 10 2011) there are 2 wills (one just an abstract, one complete) for Witherup on the PRONI website. These cover 3 generations with the father and son in the abstract appearing in the 1901 census as Withers. This is clearly a deliberate change of name and not a misspelling or transcription error. It is, in fact, the Withers family Shane referred to in his response to Sue on the Glenavy history web site (Matthew is Matthew Joseph).
I'm not sure what to make of it but in Sue's listing of Glenavy Parish records (http://www.mayflowermaid.com/glenavyparishtwo.jpg) there is an Emily born to William Joseph Wetherup and Agnes Graham in 1885. In a record in www.familysearch.org Matthew Joseph Withers and Agnes Graham had a daughter Emily in 1875.
It is interesting that in the 1901 census there are many Withers but all, except one family in Coleraine, are south of Glenavy whereas Ballynure/Carrick/Larne (where the Weatherups predominate) are NE. There is a high proportion of Withers in Belfast (both Antrim and Down) with many others living in areas around Belfast and Glenavy.
I say this web site advertised recently. Very interesting from a social point of view. It houses "The Irish Famine Population Data Atlas 1841-2002" and "The Atlas of Irish Famine Data 1841 - 1851". You can drill down to the parish level. There are lots of interactive features to play with.
Oye! Just want to apologize for dropping off the face of the planet.
@Gecko, yes, I am the same Cat who contacted this forum years ago, and then (you guessed it!) disappeared again. Well, I have a lot of catching up to do in reading these posts. Thanks for your patience with my responses. I'm not known for prolonged follow-thru, though I am working on it, and I'm really grateful for having found your site! I'd love nothing more than a big family reunion with everyone, one day, but even just piecing these bits of info together is extremely gratifying.
Hope all my kin are well! I look forward to checking in more often. ( :
'That would be my gr gr gr grndfather, John B. Weatherup, a Tailor, who married Margaret Houston from Carrickfergus (or possibly "Huston", but that seems more likely a typo on the 1880 census entry for Margaret's father) 9 Nov. 1845 and died in 1899. However I have that he was born May 2nd, 1823."
I found that info on my latest search of the census (over 3 months ago). I distinctly remember him being listed as a Tailor. At first I thought it read "sailor" but no, it's "Tailor" and he was married to margaret. I'm trying to find if I took snapshots of the census records... Here's the info I have. Some of it may actually have come from the *Ship* records that he came over on...otherwise, it was census records on ancestry.com.
John Weatherup b. 1825 Belfast (gr gr grndfather) came to NY in 1849 when he was 24 years old. Married Margaret Houston. Margaret b. 1825 Children: Catherine, James, Robert, John (g grnd)
I've now done some serious research on my family tree and have hit a brick wall. The following has been researched and confirmed with documentation:
My father: William Weatherup B. 1920 D. 1999 M. Jinny Moore B. 1927 D. 2009 Marriage. 20 August 1948
Grandfather: Thomas Weatherup B. 1880 D. 1955 M. Annie Maria Murray B. 1885 D. 1979 Marriage 15 February 1916,First Larne Presbyterian Church Larne
Great Grandfather: William Weatherup B. 1832 D. 1898 M. Margaret Alexander B. 1845 D. 1918 Marriage 14 October 1864 - Presbyterian Church, Ballycarry, Co. Antrim. Witnesses at the ceremony were William John Weatherup and Mary Alexander.
The above William and Margaret purchased farm at Ballyvernstown 1865, where I still live. Both are recorded as living at Magheramorne (just outside Larne)at date of marriage.
Great Great Grandfather: Thomas Weatherup B. ? D. ? M. Mary (Surname Unknown) B. 1803 D. 1898 (lived in her widowhood with the above William & Margaret and is buried in the family grave in Larne)
The above named Thomas is recorded on the marriage certificate of William and Margaret Alexander, and occupation is listed as that of Bleacher (I have to make the assumption that this is in connection with the Linen industry in Northern Ireland which was at its heyday during this period).
This is where I have hit the brick wall.
There is a Thomas listed as being born in 1798 and died in 1864 (these dates would tie in with the age of my Great great grandmother Mary).
I have looked at this Thomas's death registration and he died in the presence of a Samuel Weatherup 18 January 1864 (due to retention of urine)at Ardboley, Carrickfergus. He is recorded as married and was 75 years old.
Does anyone have any further information regarding this Thomas, to enable me to determine for sure that this is my ancestor.
The problem in Northern Ireland is that we all live in such close proximity of each other. Carrickfergus/Straid/Ballynure/Larne are all withwithin a 10-15 mile radius of each other.
I would love to be able to move forward with this.
I note that Neal Curren has done some research on above Thomas, and records him married to a Mary, whose dates do not tie in with my dates for her death, my Mary was born in 1803 and lived into her 90s. If Neal is correct, this would indicate that the Thomas I am researching is not the correct one. As my Thomas' occupation was listed as "Bleacher" on his son's marriage certificate, this would indicate that he may have worked within the Belfast/Lisburn areas in the linen industry.
Alison, the Thomas that Neal is referring to is my gt gt gt gt grandfather and I don't believe he had a son William. The number of family members living in the same area with the same names is a major problem. I have 9 Thomas Weatherups in my tree and none of them fit your Thomas.
Ballyclare, Larne and Carrick all had linen industry including bleach greens so your Thomas wouldn't necessarily have had to travel far.
I have looked at this Thomas's death registration and he died in the presence of a Samuel Weatherup 18 January 1864 (due to retention of urine)at Ardboley, Carrickfergus. He is recorded as married and was 75 years old.
This Samuel would have likely to have been my g-g-g-grandfather. I think there must be some family link between Samuel and Thomas (maybe brothers or uncle/nephew?), as Thomas' son James was an executor of Samuel's will.
Alison - do you have the actual death certificate for this Thomas?
Ian - I hadn't realised that this Thomas was your g-g-g-g-grandfather - is this a recent find?
It's a fairly recent find. For clarity I've removed a comment where I suggested the older Samuel (for whom we don't have dates) was a direct ancestor of mine - in my defense, on the computer screen with him at the top it's a family of Kennedys at the bottom (I'd think they must be related but not tied in yet) and a lot of similar names. He's distantly related by marriage. William (m Margaret Thompson) is slightly more distantly related by marriage. Samuel (Slievetrue) is the father of a brother-in-law of my gt gt grandmother. But Thomas is the ancestor and his details and those of his wife, Mary Junkin, are on a headstone in Old Ballynure Graveyard and Ballynure Presbyterian Church records (Junkin is pretty difficult to decipher).
Would be great to see an amended tree sometime. I think it is likely that William (m Margaret Thompson) and Samuel (Slievetrue) are brothers. No definite proof but there is a large similarity in the forenames of their children and order of births.
Also Samuel's daughter Margaret (from whom I am descended) married a Thomas Boyd and William's daughter Ann married a James Boyd. Thomas and James were brothers.
It seems like a logical conclusion though these families are so intertwined it's difficult to be sure of anything. I looked at Thomas Weatherup (1789ish - 1864): no Boyds. Thomas and Ann Weatherup (who was about the same age) both married Junkins (no proof they were related). Ann's father was John snr (see Gecko's comments in the Ballynure section). John snr, incidentally was a gt, gt grandfather of a brother-in-law of my grandfather!
In the church members list for Straid Congregational Church I found a reference to William John Weatherup snr who died in 1842. I don't know yet if this would be John snr or another senior Weatherup I wasn't aware of.
I'll try to do something about an amended tree - it's a bit out of hand at the moment!
The above post is recommended for some Weatherup colour!
The William Weatherup mentioned was my great great grandfather dying aged 63-65 in 1895 in Dublin, born in Ballycarry, it was said. That is. born ca. 1829-1832. The range is from the internment age of 65 in 1895 and age at death of 63.
I would be delighted to hear of anyone with any information and am also on Ancestry.com
Hi Iam Paul weatherup and iam from the lisglass road also known as quarterlands , my grandfather was Samuel weatherup and was a farmer . I always knew the weatherups from slievetrue road but we are not related .
I am researching the Weatherup family from Slievetrue and have had a limited amount of success. Samuel Weatherup born abt 1801 died 25 Jan 1873 Sievtrue, Carrickfergus He had at least 3 children: 1 David b abt 1934 died 1914 He married Jane Anderson 2 Jane b 1830 married Charles Hilditch 3 Margaret B abt 1829 married 1st Thomas Boyd 2nd James Eardis
I do the research for myself and my husbands family. He is not a weatherup - he is descended from an Ezekiel Dorman from Ballylagan. However we are on Ancestry and we match to a whole heck of people with the Weatherup's from Dairyland and Slieve True. Having read quite a bit in the last week - particularly the linkage between the three Dorman sisters (Jennie, Sarah and another one) it would seem from the DNA matches that there is a grounding in this. My husband has also matched DNA with a Canadian branch of weatherup - which i'm assuming is the missing William - I have done quite a bit of work today and it would seem there is a pretty good chance that William went to nottawosaga, simcoe, in Canada. Find a grave shows a great deal of Weatherup's buried there. I have spent a few afternoons plotting them out on my tree on Ancestry. Is there anyone else on here that has had dna and can match up with ancestry or any other DNA testing site at all.
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Sue's research is turning to Weatherup's in Antrim and many more place names are coming up, I hope this post will try to help to keep track of what is where as it is begining to get very confusing.
I've come across references to place names in relation to the weatherups as follows:
Ballinacoy, Ballyclare, Ballynure, Ballypitmave, Ballyvannon, Carrickfergus, Glenavy, Larne, Lisburn, Silevetrue, Straid, & Tullyrusk (not counting more apparently recent Weatherups in Bangor and Belfast).
The three Weatherup brothers who married Doorman/Dorman sisters have been assotiated with places near Carrickfergus, including Carrickfergus itself, Straid, and Silevetrue. Hazel had mentioned that of the brothers, one is listed as originally from Ballyvannon in the Parish of Glenavy, a second is from the Parish of Tullyrusk, and the third may or may not be associated with Ballinacoy. I had been presuming that the parishes of Glenavy and Tullyrusk were thus somewhere in the Carrickfergus area. Sue traced her ancestor to Ballypitmave in Glenavy, and it was only then that I found out that Glenavy (and neighboring Tullyrusk) are actually some 15-20 miles South-east of the Carrickfergus area and thus actually closer to the cities of Belfast and Lisburn than they are to Carrickfergus!
Of other sites in Antrim assotiated with Weatherup and Weatherup researchers, that leaves:
Ballyclare, Ballynure, Larne, Lisburn, (& Belfast according to the historical research center, though I haven't yet met anyone who has said they were looking for Weatherups there other than very recent ancestors). At any rate, Lisburn and Belfast are the closest cities to the Glenavy area, so they are likely connected in that manner.
The Larne branch is known to be a branch of the Ballyclare Weatherups. Both Ballyclare and Ballynure are near Straid and not far from Carrickfergus so they all likely connect into the Carrickfergus/Straid/Silevetrue. Note: While I've never found Silevetrue it is said to be "near Straid, about halfway between the towns of Carrickfergus and Ballynure".
That only leaves one questionable reference to a Ballinacoy, which may not even be relevant. Does anyone know where Ballinacoy is in relation to these other locations?
At any rate, the overall region could be described as the Clandeboy region of Southern County Antrim, but it would appear that most of the branches likely originally trace back to the more narrow area around Glenavy in South-West/South-Central Antrim (and not the Carrickfergus area).
Did I miss anything or anyplace?
I don't know how to use this site and can't access the most recent blogs.
My niece, a Weatherup, has just opened a bar in New York. She's from Chichester.
My husband is a Bangor Weatherup.
the sleivetrue that you are having trouble finding is a road just north of the dams off the rawbrae road. My great grandmother was born in a farm on that road. do you have any information about her father david weatherup.
Elinor- I still don't know how to contact you. You can email me at Gecko_G at-sign email dot com
jhopkins- Thank you for the Sleivitrue info. It's interesting how many place names in Northern Ireland are actually road names and not a particular settlement.
I don't think we have any info on this David, but if you could give more info it might help, especially a timeframe or the name of his daughter (your GtGrandmother)
hello. Finally I have made contact. I married into a Weatherup family but don't know any of the connections apart from the fact my father in law came from Belfast. (Norman Weatherup)
My name is Alison Weatherup and I am the only Weatherup left in my family line. My father was William Weatherup b. 1920 of Ballyvernstown, Larne, Co. Antrim who died 18th October 1999. He was the son of Thomas Weatherup, also of Ballyvernstown, Larne, who in turn was the son of William Weatherup believed to be of the Middle Road area of Carrickfergus, thought to be born C. 1800. William Weatherup married Margaret Alexander of Magheramore, who then went on to buy the farm at Ballyvernstown. I still live at that location and believe Weatherup's to have lived at Ballyvernstown since the mid-1800s.
My ancestry is thought to go back to Alexander Weatherup (B. Circa 1728). He had 3 sons
- James Weatherup
- William Weatherup, it is suspected that him and/or his heir's went to Canada
- Alexander or Thomas Weatherup ( who had 4 sons:-
- John Weatherup (178_-185_) He and his son went to Northern New York (St. Lawrence Co.)
- Thomas Weatherup (~1789-1864) of the middle Division, Carrickfergus
- Samuel Weatherup (~1800-1873) of Silevetrue, West Division, Carrickfergus
- William Weatherup (my great Grandfather)
Hope this is helpful and would like to keep in touch with anyone from my family tree.
Hi, This is more for Alison Weatherup, but there may also be a connection from earlier ancestors.
I'm trying to find information on my great-grandmother Elizabeth Junkin/Jenkins,it's a bit of a mystery about her life. There is a record for an Eliza Jenkins married to a John Weatherup in 1885 and this was her name in the 1911 census, along with my grandfather John, born Larne 1903(no father on birth certificate). The problem is that there is no record of her on the 1901 census which, makes me believe that she may have been married at this time. The Weatherup name has came up in relation to the Junkin family, Ann Weatherup married to a John Junkin around 1810 - 1815. Her father was also a John Weatherup.
There is a John Weatherup born in 1852 who died in 1898, and this would tie it all together, if this was the case.
I was just wondering if any of this might tie in with your family genealogy? My great-grandmothers parents where married in Carrickfergus, but I believe lived in Raloo area, with William Junkin, my gg grandfather from around the Ballynure area. Her mother was Elizabeth Gault, also from around that part of Co. Antrim possibly Glynn area.
Kind Regards
Terry Morrow
Just to clarify, my g grandmother was Eliza Jenkins on the 1911 census, not Eliza Weatherup.
Hello my people~! ( ;
My name is Cat Weatherup. I have a sister, Elle, and a brother, Shawn. We've always heard we were descended from Carrickfergus. We're the only Weatherups left in our branch, so we have little info to go on.
I'm wondering if my family can be tied into the comments that mention William Weatherup, whose sons moved to Canada and/or Northern New York. We're from New York and also heard rumor that our ancestors had landed in Canada, before coming down to NY. Or perhaps just moved directly to NY. Not sure on that one.
I'm going to do more research so I have something to offer this blog, but wanted to introduce myself.
Cheers,
Cat
Hi Alison,
I think we may be cousins. Cheers! ( ; I still need to do more research (going on ancestry.com after this) but I think Alexander's son, John Weatherup, who went to NY, may just be my great grandfather. My grandfather's name was Cecil. His father was John, his mother was Christine who was 100% Swedish.
Just a quick note for now, as I had forgotten to check the "email follow up comments" box and wanted to make sure I had this time.
Thanks!~
Cat Weatherup
Here's what I have so far:
Jack Houston Weatherup 1926-1996 (my dad)
Cecil John Weatherup 1897-1982 (my grandfather)
John Weatherup b. 1856 Westfield, NY (great grandfather) married Christine. Children: Vernor, Hazel, Vanna, and Cecil.
John Weatherup b. 1825 Belfast (gr gr grndfather) came to NY in 1849 when he was 24 years old. Married Margaret.
I'd love to hear from anyone related and will add more soon as able!
First an update about one of the places-
What I wrote above as "Silevetrue"
I see that I have written elsewhere in my records as "Slievetrue" which I believe is a place on the outskirts of Belfast. One is undoutably a typo, but I don't know which is correct. Further jhopkins wrote above about "Sleivetrue" in his/her comment. All very subtle spelling variations that makes me cautious.
Alison & Terry- more Larne Weatherup's, eh? Alexandria Weatherup-Leach from Ontario had provided what little info we had on the Weatherups from that area, specifically that a) her uncle still lives in Larne (specifically the town, not just the district), b) Her father's cousin left for the states when her father was very young. c) her family is connected to one of "the 2 Weatherup families in the Ballyclare area of Northern Ireland" specifically the branch related (somehow) to the Robert Weatherup & Mary Ferguson (and that the other Ballyclare branch might have been Scottish).
d) Some Cousins of her father live in the Southern part of County Antrim, and e) her great grandfather James Weatherup had twin brothers, one believed to be named John.
Alison- I think the second part of your post is copied from my Weatherup webpage since even the formatting is the same. How sure you that William (sibling of John, Thomas, & Samuel) is the same as your great grandfather William b. circa 1800 who married Margaret Alexander? It seems there's a couple of William's in that time frame. Also, be aware that some sources apparently confuse William [sibling of John, Thomas, & Samuel] with his uncle William (who is one of the three who apparently married Do(o)rman sisters). Where is Ballyvernstown in relation to say Ballnure, Ballyclare, or the town of Larne, or someother place, to help me locate it?
I'll reply to Terry and Cat in my next comment to keep this from getting too long.
Terry- Let me see if I can summarize what you wrote to make sure I followed it correctly:
A) Your great-grandmother Elizabeth "Eliza" Jenkins or Junkin married a John Weatherup in 1885 but she was listed under her maiden name in the 1911 census, and you can't find her in the 1901 census? Did you find John in the 1901?
B) Your grandfather John was born in 1903 with no father listed on the birthcertificate,
C) You also have an Ann Weatherup who married John Junkin and that Ann's father was a "John Weatherup".
D) You've found a John Weatherup, born 1852, died 1898, and your wondering if this John Weatherup might be the father of Ann (from C) and also be the same person as John Weatherup husband of Eliza (from A)? Is that correct?
Definately seems possible (Though John is a common enough name that there's not enough to say for sure), It also would not be uncommon for the era to have two marriages between the same families (the two marriages between Weatherup's and Jenkin/Junkin) (ie look-up the term "kissing cousins"). However, if he [John Weatherup from 'D'] died in 1898 that would mean he was not your great grandfather since he couldn't of fathered your grandfather in 1903.
It's telling me my comment is too long, so I'll have to respond to Cat in a seperate comment.
Cat- I responded to some of your messages in the other post, and I see now you are the same Cat I was thinking of. From correspondence with either you or your sister I had info on your sub-branch, and to summarize, based on the best info we have, we are both from what I've always described as the "Western NY" (or Chatauqua Co.) branch not the "Northern NY" (or DeKalb Co.) branch, and back to the Glenavy area (specifically Ballyvannon) possibly via Carrickfergus.
Of course the two New York lines are supposed to descend from 2 of the 3 brothers who [all 3] married Dorman or Doorman sisters (William from my previous comment being the 3rd brother).
We had previously thought that all the Canadian Weatherups descend somehow from the third brother, but Sue's research has disproved that, since at least one of the larger branch's come from a prior Weatherup immigrant from Ballypitmave (which is also in Glenavy, so it seems likely that there is still a connection somehow-somewhere).
Some of the dates you give for your ancestors are different from the information I had previously from either you or your sister. I'm particularly interested in the earliest ancestor you mention "John
Weatherup b. 1825 Belfast (gr gr grndfather) came to NY in 1849 when he was 24 years old. Married Margaret."
That would be my gr gr gr grndfather, John B. Weatherup, a Tailor, who married Margaret Houston from Carrickfergus (or possibly "Huston", but that seems more likely a typo on the 1880 census entry for Margaret's father) 9 Nov. 1845 and died in 1899. However I have that he was born May 2nd, 1823. I don't remember off the top of my head where that date came from nor how reliable it is, and I don't have time at the moment to dig through my files to find out. Nor did I ever have any precise birthplace for either him nor his father John Weatherup (1785-1843 who might of been called "Jack") but only that the elder John's father, James Weatherup (one of the brothers who married the Do{o}rman sisters) was born in Ballyvannon (but is called "of Carrickfergus" in some records, so I presumed he had moved to Carrickfergus, but I never did prove any of that). I believe a Belfast birthplace would be slightly closer to Glenavy (his grandfathers birthplace) than a Carrickfergus birthplace like I had always assumed for John B. (but again, never proved). Do you recal where the "Belfast" tidbit came from?
I also never could narrow down John B. Weatherup and families (himself, wife, father-in-law, & one or more children) immigration date more precisely than the 1845-1850 (most likely between 1847 & 1849) timeframe. You wrote specifically 1849. Did you find a new record I'm not aware of? I do remember at one point coming across a record of a John Weatherup, a immigrant Tailor, in New York City at one point, but I never got around to following it up and now I don't remember where I had found that (don't know if it was even him or not, the story others had heard had always been that they came via the St. Lawrence, not via NYC, so I don't know).
This is a note just to clarify some of own findings. My name is Alison Mary Weatherup, I am the only Weatherup left in our Weatherup line. My father was William Weatherup. b.1920, d.1999, he was married to Jinny Moore, b. 1927, d. 2009. I live at the family home in Ballyvernstown (a townland outside the village of Glynn). The family first resided at the same location c. 1865. My grandfather was Thomas Weatherup, son of William Weatherup (my great grandfather) and Margaret Alexander. William Weatherup is known to have originated in the Middle Division, Carrickfergus. My great, great grandfather was also named William and we assumed lived in the same area of Carrickfergus. From a family grave I have found out that William's wife Mary lived her last days with William and Margaret Alexander and died at the age of 93 years. This would make her date of birth c. 1803, therefore we can assume that my great, great Grandfather William was also born in and around this date. The burial site of William is unknown.
Hi Cat, this is exciting finding potential cousins, particularly when I thought I was a dying breed!!
Regarding the search Ballyinacoy, are you sure you don't mean Ballynacoy, which is a townland outside Glenavy. The old townland naming system has now become defunct in Northern Ireland, so you can get many variations of spelling and I know this can become very confusing. Hope this helps.
Hi relatives! I am also a Weatherup descendant! My grandmother, Mary Ellen,one of five children,was born in 1906 on the Slievetrue farm Carrickfergus. Her father(my great-grandfather) was Thomas Weatherup born c.1877. His father was the David Weatherup 1834-1914, who JHopkins was probably looking for. David's father would have been Samuel ~1800-1873 of the Slievetrue farm, who was one of the four sons of Alexander/ Thomas Weatherup- (one of the 3 brothers who married the 3 Dorman sisters apparently). Glad of any info I can get/give.
Alison- ok so, it wasn't William Weatherup (who married Margaret Alexander, your great-grandparents) who was born c.1800, but rather that William's father, also named William Weatherup (who married Mary who died 1896 aged 93, your great-great-grandparents) who was born roughly 1800 and thus who is quite possibly the same as William Weatherup - sibling of John, Thomas, & Samuel. The addition of an extra generation there does make the timing seem more plausible. Which of the two William's is the one you described as "believed to be of the Middle Road area of Carrickfergus"?
Glynn huh?, that came up in Terry's post (above). According to Wikipedia thats on the shores of Larne Lough, right? My best map of the area shows the towns of Larne, Glenoe (A tad-bit inland along a unnamed river or stream) and Ballycarry (on the main road and railline towards Whitehead and thence on to Carrickfergus) along the west shore of Larne Lough.
regarding Ballinacoy/Ballynacoy: The "Bally-" prefix certaintly seems more likely given how it seems like a third of the placenames in Northern Ireland all start with "Bally-" (obviously it must mean something in Irish like "settlement/town/village of..."), and if that's near Glenavy, then that makes it seem even more likely given the context.
gshay- Sounds then like your closest relative we know of is Neal (I'll email him and point him to your post). He is descended from David's sister Margaret.
Ballinacoy is called Ballynacoy these days and is about 3 miles south-east of Glenavy.
I am descended from Samuel Weatherup (1800-1873) through his daughter Margaret Weatherup who married Thomas Boyd. Their daughter Mary Ellen Boyd married William George Curran, and their son Charles Hilditch Curran was my grandfather.
So gshay and myself are indeed cousins!
I also believe that Alison's William Weatherup (1800-1875) is a brother of Samuel's, so again Alison is another cousin!
William's daughter Anne Weatherup married a James Boyd who was a brother of my aforementioned Thomas Boyd. Gets complicated!
I have William Weatherup marrying a Margaret Thompson on Ballynure Presybterian Church on 22 March 1825. Alison - did he marry for a second time to Mary?
I have found most, if not all, of Samuel's and William's children. I have come across a David Weatherup who is either a much older brother of Samuel and William or he may be their father.
I was born/bred in Carrickfergus though now live in England. I still have family in Carrickfergus and am back there usually at least once a year.
Sorry, just noticed that Alison had already responded about Ballinacoy / Ballynacoy.
Thanks Geko & Neal for your reply. I am completely new to family researching & was surprised to find close links to my Weatherup connections. I was born/bred in Newtownabbey, not far from Knockagh area & know the Slievetrue area well. Lots of our relatives still live there. My grandmother ( Mary Ellen Weatherup, 1906-1989) as I had said,was born & grew up on the farm. Her mother was a Maggie Mcbrinn(died c.1925) married to Thomas Weatherup (c.1877-1960?). I see a Maggie Weatherup mentioned in a will of a John Mcbrinn, Carrick farmer, & assume this is her. Maybe this has some interest to someone. Thanks Neal for the info on our ancestors - it is very interesting. Good to see my great- great grandfather ( David) had a sister Margaret who also carried on the bloodline. Do you know anything about the other sister Jane Hilditch?
Being on a dial-up internet connection, I tend to stay away from online map sites, but I finally bit the bullet and looked up all these places (except "Silevetrue/Slievetrue" which I couldn't find, but I know roughly where it is). I'm working on a geographical glossary of all these places.
Neal- Do you still believe Samuel (& William) are the same as the Samuel and William (& John & Thomas) who are the children of one of the Weatherup-Do(o)rman marriages (the one that some say is Alexander Weatherup, others Thomas Weatherup)
gshay- just as I was reading your new message I was downloading a map in another window that just happened to show Knockagh. How fortuitous! I take it this Jane Hilditch is a sister of David & Margaret?
Yes Gecko, Jane Hilditch is named in the will of Samuel Weatherup (~1800-1873) as his daughter from Carrickfergus, - from " PRONI". I have no other info on her as yet.
As you are looking maps of here perhaps you should, when searching for Slievetrue, start from Knockagh area first. The Knockagh Hill with prominent Knockagh monument (war memorial) is on the west side of Belfast Lough. Going a short distance away from the shore from say, Jordanstown (just north of Belfast), takes you to Monkstown above which is the Knockagh Road. Not far up this bendy country road you come to a T junction - right is still Knockagh Rd & to the monument, but left is the Slievetrue Rd! Hope this helps. There are photos on the web of area & i found a Utube video of "canoe up the Knockagh in the snow" which is taken on the Slievetrue Rd. It shows some crazy locals but worth a look.
Jane Weatherup was born on 15 Jan 1835, baptised in Ballynure Presbyterian Church on 25 Feb 1835, and died Jan-Feb quarter 1903. She married Charles Hilditch on 24 Jun 1864 in Joymount Presbyterian Church, Carrickfergus. Charles Hilditch was born around 1841 and died Oct-Dec quarter 1919. My grandfather was named Charles Hilditch Curran after him. They had 7 children I know of - Ellen (b 18 Jul 1864), Robert (b 20 Apr 1866, d 1870), Mary (b 27 Jul 1868, d 1871), another Robert (b 12 Jan 1871), twin Mary (b 12 Jan 1871), Samuel Weatherup (b 11 Feb 1873), Charles (b 21 Aug 1875).
Samuel Weatherup married Ellenor (Ellen) Hall on 15 April 1823 in Ballynure Presbyterian Church. They had 6 children that I know of -
Margaret (b 7 Nov 1823), Ellen (b 18 Jun 1826), Thomas (b 3 Sep 1829), David (b 11 Aug 1832, d 29 Nov 1914), Jane (b 15 Jan 1835, d Jan-Mar quarter 1903) and Mary (b 24 Apr 1838).
William Weatherup (b abt 1800, d 26 Aug 1875) married Margaret Thompson on 22 Mar 1825 in Ballynure Presbyterian Church.
They had 8 children I know of :-
Jane (b 3 Mar 1826), Anne (b 3 Jan 1829, d 31 Mar 1869), Mary (b 25 Jul 1832), David (b 26 Mar 1835), another David (b 26 Mar 1837), another Jane (b 6 Jun 1840), Samuel (b 16 Jan 1846), Eliza (b 13 Jan 1849).
I presume the first David and Jane died previous to the births of the second David and Jane.
I am in contact with a descendant of Anne Weatherup. Anne married James Boyd, the brother of Thomas Boyd who married Margaret Weatherup (daughter of Samuel).
I am still not sure who the father of Samuel and William Weatherup was, though I am fairly sure Samuel and William were brothers rather than say cousins.
There was certainly a David Weatherup in that area who was much older than Samuel and William, perhaps by 20 years or a little more. And the Thomas and John Weatherup mentioned in previous comments were also much older than Samuel and William. With siblings being born over a period of 20 - 25 years, it could however very well be that John, Thomas, David, Samuel and William are indeed all brothers.
I have also come across an Andrew Weatherup in the Ballynure area who seems to be a little younger than Samuel and William. Another brother? or a son of Thomas or John or David?
I had been leaning towards David being the father of Samuel and William but having read comments here I am not so sure again.
The father of them all could have been the third brother Alexander / Thomas who married the third Dorman sister.
Also Mojo1970 mentioned Ann Weatherup. I believe she was born about 1788, died 20 Jun 1865 in Straid and was married to a John Jenkins (or Junkins). A sister of John, Thomas, David, Samuel and William?
There was a mention earlier of Robert Weatherup and Mary Ferguson. I have them as married in Joymount Presbyterian Church, Carrickfergus on 10 Jul 1918. I believe that Robert's father was James Weatherup and that he was the son of Thomas Weatherup (b about 1789, d 18 Jan 1864) and Mary (b about 1794, d 15 Oct 1869). This Thomas Weatherup is the one I mentioned in my previous comment. James Weatherup was an executor of Samuel Weatherup's will.
for those who might be unfamiliar, "PRONI" mentioned by gshay is the "Public Records Office of Northern Ireland"
gshay- Found Slievetrue Road thanks to your description! Thank you! I see it's also another name, albeit two words "Slieve True", for what the map I had been using called "Carn Hill" (both names show up when I zoomed to the highest close-up) and that another map had as an unnamed 312m peak. jhopkins had wrote "a road just north of the dams off the rawbrae road", I didn't find any 'rawbrae' road but I'm guessing "the dams" are the woodburn resevoir's, although they are to the east, not south of Slievetrue. Or perhaps "Slievetrue" and "Sleivetrue" are two different places and jhopkins was refering to the latter.
Neal- wow, lots of new info there, still absorbing it but a few things pop out-
All these marriages and baptisms in Presbyterian churchs... So it seems likely that my ancestors were Presbyterian BEFORE emmigrating and not just after.
David Weatherup, son of Samuel, was born 1832 and not 1834?
the William Weatherup (~1800-1875, m. Margaret Thompson) is the same one who was a Witness to Samuel's will, right?
That Anne Weatherup (1829-1869, m. James Boyd) would be the same one that the Harris's are looking for then. I'll email them and point them to your post, though they appeared to have some different dates (they had that she died 1865 and had some unspecified record about her allegedly from 1788).
Looks like "Boyd" can be added as one of those families with multiple Weatherup marriages, along with Do(o)rman, Hendren, & Haskill (did I miss any others?)
Ballynure Weatherup's- good to see some info on Weatherup's from there, I've heard that there are/were lots of Weatherup's in Ballynure but I didn't think anyone had really looked at them yet. Sue even has some British National Archives record of a "John Witherop" from Ballynure who joined the army specifically the 71st Foot Regiment, 3rd Garrison Battalion (whom she had thought was here Army ancestor John "the Gunner" Weatherup) that lists him as born "Ballinare", signed up at Derry, was a labourer in the army, and was discharged after 16 years with a pension aged 48 "in 1816 at Chatham after getting a fever in Portugal a year before after having served for some 16 years including re-enlisting after the 1st 15 years.", meaning he was born around 1764. (though I always wondered why he went all the way to Derry to enlist...)
I wonder, did the James, son of Thomas, have at least 2 grandsons, one who lived in Larne and one named Alexander who's ashes are "buried in the family plot in Ballyclare". Though on second look I guess one or more generations would be missing inbetween there.
Ballynarry is a townland in the parish of Ballynure. So this is probably the "Ballinare" that John Witherop, the soldier, gave as his birthplace.
I have various possible birth dates for David son of Samuel, derived from censuses and age at marriage/death. They range around the 1834 mark, but I'm fairly sure that he really was born in 1832 from the entry I have seen in the Ballynure Presbyterian Church records.
Yes I believe that the William who witnessed Samuel's will is the William (1800-1875) who married Margaret Thompson. This is part of my thinking that they were probably brothers.
The "Raw Brae" road, as us locals call it, is marked as the "Red Brae" road on maps. I'm not sure where the "raw" or "red" comes from, but "brae" is a Scottish word for hill or hillside. The "Red Brae" road is long and steep (12% slope in places)! Many's a time I have struggled up it in my youth.
To find it on a map follow the "North Road" northwards out of Carrickfergus, then when this road gets to the "Marshalltown Road" it turns in the "Red Brae" road.
Google street maps are available for the Carrickfergus /
Ballynure area so you can see what this road actually looks like, and of course see what Carrickfergus, Ballynure and the surrounding countryside looks like!
ah, thanks Neal, found it now. Though I don't see what dam's jhopkins was refering to (though there's some further east). It's looking like "rawbrae rd." is not genealogically significant for us then.
With the help of you and gshay I've now learned where these places are, so I thought I'd share as well and help those who are not familiar with the area, and so I have prepared a map:
http://gecko_g.fortunecity.com/gen/images/roads.JPG
I highlighted Ballyclare, Ballynure, & Straid (Carrickfergus should be obvious enough), and I traced Slievetrue (sp?) Rd. in Red and Rawbrae Rd. in Blue. That's the correct one's, right?
Yes the roads look correct on the map.
I think that jhopkins meant the Woodburn Reservoirs when he said 'dams'. My g-g-grandfather Curran worked on the building of the reservoirs. There were built around 1870 I think, to primarily supply water to Belfast. There was much controversy at the time as farmland had to be requisitioned to build them on.
I have come across quite an interesting and informative web site about the Glenavy area http://www.glenavyhistory.com/index.html
If you use the "search the site" box for Witherup and Weatherup you will find some items about our "relatives". There is a particularly interesting, but sad 1897 article, about an 80-year old John Witherup.
Either they've added a lot more to that Glenavy site since last I visited, or (equally likely) I didn't realise the subpages had more info if you scroll'd down past the whitespace.
Most of the info there on specific Weatherup's is after our various ancestors (apparently) left that area, but still some good tidbits in there (local lore is that their descendents apparently might of become the "Withers" family- see the response to Sue's post on that site's forum from Feb. 2008). It seems likely that all the Weatherup's descend from there prior to being the Ballyclare/Ballynure/Carrickfergus/Larne/Silevetrue/Straid/etc. Weatherup's. To keep this post/thread from getting too long I'm planning on starting a new post/thread (I'm not sure the proper blog terminology) for discussing just the Glenavy area Weatherup's, just give me a bit to get my wording ready.
Griffith's valuation!
Every couple of years I do a search for the Griffith's valuation (which in Antrim & Carrickfergus was compiled 1861-1862) and it seem each time I find a new site with a searchable index or extract, and each time I find more Weatherup's than the last time I searched. For all (or at least most?) American and Canadian Weatherup's, our ancestors had left Antrim before 1862, but the info is useful to those of you with Weatherup ancestry elsewhere or with later Antrim Weatherup connections.
This time I found the one at http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch.
I did 4 search's, for "Weatherup" "Weatherop" "Witherup" & "Witherop", selecting "Include similar names" each time, and got 18 results, all in Antrim. There's an option to open a scan of a full transcript, but on my dial-up it takes for ever to load, so I've only done a few of them in detail (ie I'll post the full info from the 3 glenavy entries over on that post)
format:
Name
Immediate Lessor
Place
Alexander Witherupp
Marquis of Hertford
Ballymote (Twnland), Glenavy (Parish), Lisburn (Union), Upper Massereene
Andrew Witherup
Richardson brothers
West Division (Twnland), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
David Witherup
Marquis of Downshire
Dairyland (Twnlnd), Ballynure (Parish), Larne (Union), Lower Belfast
James Weatherup
Representatives of John Legge
West Street, Carrickfergus (Twnland), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
James Weatherup
James Wilson
West Irish Quarter, Carrickfergus (Twnland), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
James Witherup
Thomas Witherup
Ballynere, Middle Division (Twnlnd), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
James Witherupp
John G. Murray
Ballynacoy (Townland), Glenavy (Parish), Lisburn (Union), Upper Massereene
James Witherupp
Marquis of Hertford
Ballypitmave (Townland), Glenavy (Parish), Lisburn (Union), Upper Massereene
John Witherup
Marquis of Downshire
Dairyland (Twnlnd), Ballynure (Parish), Larne (Union), Lower Belfast
John Witherup
Marquis of Downshire
West Division (Twnland), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
Samuel Witherup
Marquis of Downshire
West Division (Twnland), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
Samuel Witherup
Marquis of Downshire
West Division (Twnland), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
Thomas Weatheropp
St.John Coats
Brown's Street, Townparks (Twnlnd), Shankill (Parish), Belfast (Union), Upper Belfast
Thomas Weatherop
William Stewart
Taylor's Avenue, Carrickfergus (Twnlnd), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
Thomas Witherup
Valentine W. Magill
Ballynere, Middle Division (Twnlnd), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
Thomas Witherup
Valentine W. Magill
Ballynere, Middle Division (Twnlnd), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
William Witherup
Jane D. Wilson
West Division (Townland), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
William Witherup
Marquis of Downshire
West Division (Townland), Carrickfergus/St. Nicholas (Parish), Larne (Union), Carrickfergus (Town of)(Barony)
So it looks like we can 3 new places:
-Dairyland, which I saw on a map, about a mile (or less) east of Straid
-Ballynere, somewhere in the Middle Division of Carrickfergus
-& Townparks in Shankill parish (?)
By chance I have been looking at the Weatherups in the Tithe Applotment Valuations which preceded Griffiths. The following Weatherups are listed for the Carrickfergus/Ballynure areas :-
1816
James - Eden near Carrickfergus
John - Ballylaggan near Ballynure
William - Ballylaggan near Ballynure
Samuel - Siskin, West Division, Carrickfergus
Thomas - Ardboley, Middle Division, Carrickfergus
1826
David - Straidlands near Ballynure
John - Straidlands near Ballynure
John Senior - Straidlands near Ballynure
1833
David - Straidlands near Ballynure
John - Straidlands near Ballynure
Given the date of 1816, Samuel and William above are unlikely to be the Samuel and William born around 1800 but an earlier generation. The Thomas is possibly the Thomas born 1789 that we know of.
I also started looking at the Irish civil registration indexes at familysearch.com for deaths of male Weatherups registered in the Larne district (which includes Ballynure, Carrickfergus, Raloo, Larne) who were born before civil registration of births began in 1864 in order to get an approximate year of birth. Also Weatherup marriages up to about 1885 as again these could show up Weatherup births before 1864. There is a very long list of Weatherups who were born before 1864, with lots of repetition of forenames!!!
I am starting to try to make some sense of these using the 1901 and 1911 census and other info at familysearch.com to see if I can at least get a fuller picture of Weatherups families in the Ballynure/Carrickfergus area in the early 1800s. That might give us a clue about the preceding generation maybe back to about 1770.
The earliest birth in my list is an Alexander Wetherup b 1789 d 1864. I may send off for his death certificate in case the place of death or informant gives any clue as to where he fits in. Alexander is a known Weatherup forename in the 1700s but I don't remember seeing any Alexanders in the 1800s or 1900s.
I should have said Alexanders in the Carrickfergus/Ballynure area in the 1800s and 1900s.
wow, yet more places to add and look up
Eden, Ballylaggan, & Straidlands near Ballynure.
Siskin & Ardboley in the West and Middle (respectively), divisons of Carrickfergus.
Eden sounds familiar - but perhaps that's cause I'm thinking of Eden in New York (where I've got ancestry on another line).
I've seen "Straidlands" marked on maps but never as a single place. I've often wondered if it might be something more akin to the "Divisions" of Carrickfergus or just a term refering to "the countryside around Straid" ?
Eden is a village a few miles outside of Carrickfergus on the road towards Larne. Straidlands is a "townland" adjacent to the village of Straid - a townland is just an area of countryside, so you are right in suggesting that.
A little while back some new houses were built in Eden, and the little street they were built on has been given the name "Garden of Eden" !!!
The West, Middle and North East Divisions are much larger than most townlands, about five times larger. The area around Carrickfergus town out as far as Straid in the north and Eden in the east, was in fact a county in its own right, like County Antrim, until 1898 when it was merged with County Antrim. It was the County of the Town of Carrickfergus and you see it written as such on old birth, marriage and death certificates.
In the early 1600s the corporation and freeman of Carrickfergus were given permission to divide out this land around Carrickfergus amongst themselves. The first main divisions were the West, Middle and North East ones, hence the names. These were then subdivided further amongst the individual corporation members and freemen.
As well as the Divisions which were good arable land, there was a fourth area called "The Commons" ie common-land which was less good for farming and really only for rough grazaing.
I've now posted all the full entries from Griffith's over on the respective sections of the blog for Weatherups in Glenavy and in Carrickfergus/Ballynure/Ballyclare/etc., but there is one entry that doesn't fit in either of them so I guess I'll post it here:
Name: Thomas Weatheropp (note: the double p is in a few of the entries)
Immediate Lessor: St.John Coats ("St.John" seems like an odd first name, maybe this is a organisation?)
page: 157
location: Brown's Street, Townparks (Townlnd), Smithfield Ward (noted as "within the Parliamentary Boundary"), Shankill (Parish), Belfast (Union), Upper Belfast (Barony)
Lot (Tenement?) #: 82? (hard to read)
Description: House, shed, and yard
Acreage: -
Taxable or Rateable Annual Valuation: - (Land), £4 (Buildings), £4 (total)
There really doesn't seem to be much work going on with the Ballynure Weatherups! I notice Andrew mentioned. I have two: b1873 son of William John Weatherup & Mary Eliza Hall; b 1890 son of Samuel Weatherup & Matilda Hall (the wives are sisters don't know about the husbands).
Quick question: I have a photograph which shows a Mrs Weatherup (my father's great aunt) who's husband was a resident magistrate. Looks as if the husband is William son of William John & Mary Eliza (brother of one of the aforementioned Andrews). Anyone know Mrs Weatherup's name (and any other details) so I can file this photo?
electrictelegraph: We forked the Ballynure discussions to here, but we don't have much yet so any input would be appreciated! The William John Weatherup & Mary Eliza Hall would appear to be the same ones as William John & Mary Weatherup in the 1901 & 1911 census records.
regarding the Weatherup magistrate, While googling Weatherup I often come across things talking about this and that ruling by a "Justice Weatherup" in Northern Ireland, but I never paid to much attention to them figuring it was a modern day (living) descendent.
regarding the Hall's, it would seem then that there's yet another "allied familiy", so to speak. In fact, Neal- wasn't your & gshay's ancestor Samuel W.'s (~1800-1873) spouse a Hall? Elenor or Ellen?
Unfortunately I haven't yet come across a William born to William John and Mary Eliza Hall. I only have Margaret Jane (b1866), John (b1868) as well as Andrew. Do you happen to know who William John's parents were?
Yes Gecko my g-g-g-grandmother was a Hall and I believe she was related to these other Halls mentioned. I did have a family tree of Halls showing various Weatherup marriages to Halls. I was looking for it the other day but so far I can't lay my hands on it. Will keep looking!
Electrictelegraph: www.emeraldancestors.com shows four possible William Weatherups for the Mrs Weatherup you are after. These are the marriage dates and spouses.
1898 william WEATHERUP
annie
1899 william WEATHERUP
elizabeth
1900 william WEATHERUP
margaret jane
1906 william WEATHERUP
florence e
I don't have a current subscription to the site so cannot see the surnames of the spouses. If you had a subscription you would see these surnames and would also be able to find out the name/location of the church where the marriage took place - this may give a clue as to which one of the four is the 'correct' one.
BTW I did have a subscription to emeraldancestors.com a while back and downloaded the details of all the Weatherup births/marriages/deaths up until about 1894 which must have been all they had online at the time. A one-month subscription costs £9.99 sterling and is great value for looking up marriage details. As I said they provide the name of the church which you usually need when ordering the marriage certificate particularly for Belfast marriages.
to Alison & Terry- I hope you two are still following this.
Alison- Was your grandfather Thomas born in 1880? I think the birth of him and various siblings is included in Sue's Glenavy records.
Terry- I think you'll be interested in the Hall (and Junkins) discussions going on over on the Carrickfergus/Ballynure Weatherup's section of the blog.
I downloaded portions from "Heads and Hearths: The Hearth Money Rolls and Poll Tax Returns for Co. Antrim 1660-69" edited by S.T. Carleton, M.A. I looked at entries in the Massereene, Carrickfergus, & Belfast Baronies, and the closest was a John Wethred/Wetherhead in Money Cromocke (Moneycrumog?) in the Parish of Ballinderry, Barony of Massereene. Though other transcriptions of the 1669 roll don't include him (ie in the glenavy book). Ballinderry is Glenavy's southern neighbor and was also part of the Conway estate along with the Glenavy are.
Other than that the next closest would one or two "Weatherspoon" type entries that I didn't think were very promising.
So, unless that Wethred is connected, and presuming that they were not in one of the other baronies, (or unless the Weatherup ancestor was a clergyman - they were exempt and not recorded) it would seem we have an earliest boundry for Weatherup records in Co. Antrim.
Also found an interesting earlier tie between Killiltagh (and thus Glenavy) and Carrickfergus. In that history and antiquities of carrickfergus book which I linked to on the other post, from pg 78 in the timeline for 1741 is the following:
120 persons, tenants of lord Conway belonging to Killultagh, were admitted freemen of this corporation, by merely having a ticket sent them to that effect ! Same year the forementioned persons marched in with beat of drum, to poll at an election for a burgess to serve in parliament ! This very much exasperated many of the resident freemen, who considered such an innovatian an encroachment on their liberties; and a scuffle took place between the parties, in which the Killultagh men were worsted, and had their drum broken. They, however, polled, and made a considerable majority in favour of Francis Clements, esquire, who was in consequence returned by the sheriffs.
I wonder if a Weatherup might of been amongst those 120 and might of become a freeman of Carrickfergus at that early a date.
I've also finished going through the 1901 Northern Ireland Census online:
It's too much info to post all of it here, but I've got it all in a .txt file complete with URL's of the respective entries, for easy searching if anyone wants a copy or wants me to search for something.
In all there were 37 households having one or more Weatherup surnamed individuals (that includes 1 "Witherup" widow in Glenavy)- 30 in Antrim & 7 in other counties (2 in Down, 1 each in Cork, Londonderry, Louth, Mayo, & Tyrone).
between them there are 125 individuals listed, 107 in Antrim and 18 in other counties (9 in Down, 4 in Louth, 2 each in Londonderry & Mayo, 1 each in Cork and Tyrone).
Over half are in Carrickfergus where there are 19 households with 84 individuals.
21 of the Entries covering 66 individuals are Presbyterian (including 2 entries {2 families} covering 7 individuals outside of Antrim)
7 of the Entries covering 32 individuals are Baptists (including 1 entry of a lone individual outside Antrim in Co Tyrone) - it looks like most of them are various descendents of James Weatherup & Elizabeth Donald.
3 of the Entries covering 14 individuals are Congregationalists (all in Antrim - 2 in Carrickfergus, 1 in Ballynure).
3 of the Entries covering 8 individuals are listed as either Church of Ireland or "Church of Ireland St Patrick" (Is there a difference?) (all but 1 individual is outside of Antrim).
2 of the Entries covering 4 individuals are Methodists (one couple in Antrim, and one couple in Co Mayo).
1 individual in Co. Cork is Roman Catholic - an 11 year old student named William in a boarding house.
They are spread over 25 Townlands or Streets in 17 different Parish's or Wards:
Dairylands in Ballynure
Green Street, Middle Division, North East Division, Scotch Quarter, Unity Street, West Division, & West Street in Carrickfergus or "Carrickfergus Rural"
Foyle Street in Clifton
Moyola Street, Ruth Street, & Shore Road in Duncairn Ward or "Duncairn Ward, Belfast"
Ballynacoy in Glenavy
Ballyvernstown in Glynn
Altilevelly in Raboo
Samuel St. in St. Anne's Ward
Blackhill in Templecorran
Lisburn Road in Windsor
outside of Antrim:
Greenmount, Cork Urban No. 5, Co Cork
Doughas Street, Ormeau, Co Down
White Star Street, Victoria, Co Down
Catherine Street, Limavaddy, Co Londonderry
Mary Street South, Dundalk Urban No.3, Co Louth
Goreendrunagh, Castlebar Urban, Co Mayo
James's St., Cookstown, Co Tyrone
Given Names:
Agnes, Agnes Marion (x2), Andrew (x3), Annie (x2), Anthony P, Arthur, Beatrice, Bessie Donald, Charles, David (x2), Donald, Edwin, Elizabeth, Elsie, Emily, Ethal F, Frances Amelia, Grace K, Helena, Irene M, Irvine, James (x8), Jane (x4), Jane Davidson, Jeanie, Jennie, John (x7), Johnston, Leah, Lizzie (x6), Maggie (x3), Margaret (x3), Martha, Mary (x9), Mary A, Mary Ann (x2), Mary Ellen (x2), Maryjane, Matilda, Matthew (x2), Maud, May, Richard, Robert, Rosie (x2), Samuel (x8), Sara, Sarah, Sarah Greenshields, Selina, Susie, Thomas (x7), Thomas D, Thomas P, Walter, William (x10), William Frederick, William J, William James, William Jno.
I notice Gecko is concerned about spelling of townlands (eg Slievetrue - which is in West Division, Carrick). Spellings of proper nouns of any description are notoriously arbitrary. I once had to create a website for a village which had 3 different spellings, all current (the roadsign on one road had one spelling at one end and another at the other). Spellings in church records also seem to be phonetic at times.
On Gecko's post re: Withers (June 10 2011) there are 2 wills (one just an abstract, one complete) for Witherup on the PRONI website. These cover 3 generations with the father and son in the abstract appearing in the 1901 census as Withers. This is clearly a deliberate change of name and not a misspelling or transcription error. It is, in fact, the Withers family Shane referred to in his response to Sue on the Glenavy history web site (Matthew is Matthew Joseph).
I'm not sure what to make of it but in Sue's listing of Glenavy Parish records (http://www.mayflowermaid.com/glenavyparishtwo.jpg) there is an Emily born to William Joseph Wetherup and Agnes Graham in 1885. In a record in www.familysearch.org Matthew Joseph Withers and Agnes Graham had a daughter Emily in 1875.
It is interesting that in the 1901 census there are many Withers but all, except one family in Coleraine, are south of Glenavy whereas Ballynure/Carrick/Larne (where the Weatherups predominate) are NE. There is a high proportion of Withers in Belfast (both Antrim and Down) with many others living in areas around Belfast and Glenavy.
I say this web site advertised recently. Very interesting from a social point of view. It houses "The Irish Famine Population Data Atlas 1841-2002" and "The Atlas of Irish Famine Data 1841 - 1851". You can drill down to the parish level. There are lots of interactive features to play with.
http://ncg.nuim.ie/redir.php?action=projects/famine/explore
Another new web site. Old ordnance survey maps as well as modern maps of all of Ireland including Northern Ireland :-
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,591271,743300,0,10
Oye! Just want to apologize for dropping off the face of the planet.
@Gecko, yes, I am the same Cat who contacted this forum years ago, and then (you guessed it!) disappeared again. Well, I have a lot of catching up to do in reading these posts. Thanks for your patience with my responses. I'm not known for prolonged follow-thru, though I am working on it, and I'm really grateful for having found your site! I'd love nothing more than a big family reunion with everyone, one day, but even just piecing these bits of info together is extremely gratifying.
Hope all my kin are well! I look forward to checking in more often. ( :
Hi Again Gecko,
Regarding your question:
'That would be my gr gr gr grndfather, John B. Weatherup, a Tailor, who married Margaret Houston from Carrickfergus (or possibly "Huston", but that seems more likely a typo on the 1880 census entry for Margaret's father) 9 Nov. 1845 and died in 1899. However I have that he was born May 2nd, 1823."
I found that info on my latest search of the census (over 3 months ago). I distinctly remember him being listed as a Tailor. At first I thought it read "sailor" but no, it's "Tailor" and he was married to margaret. I'm trying to find if I took snapshots of the census records... Here's the info I have. Some of it may actually have come from the *Ship* records that he came over on...otherwise, it was census records on ancestry.com.
John Weatherup b. 1825 Belfast (gr gr grndfather) came to NY in 1849 when he was 24 years old. Married Margaret Houston.
Margaret b. 1825 Children: Catherine, James, Robert, John (g grnd)
So, yes! We're from the same branch. ( :
Hi everyone,
I've now done some serious research on my family tree and have hit a brick wall. The following has been researched and confirmed with documentation:
My father:
William Weatherup B. 1920 D. 1999
M. Jinny Moore B. 1927 D. 2009
Marriage. 20 August 1948
Grandfather:
Thomas Weatherup B. 1880 D. 1955
M. Annie Maria Murray B. 1885 D. 1979
Marriage 15 February 1916,First Larne Presbyterian Church Larne
Great Grandfather:
William Weatherup B. 1832 D. 1898
M. Margaret Alexander B. 1845 D. 1918
Marriage 14 October 1864 - Presbyterian Church, Ballycarry, Co. Antrim. Witnesses at the ceremony were William John Weatherup and Mary Alexander.
The above William and Margaret purchased farm at Ballyvernstown 1865, where I still live. Both are recorded as living at Magheramorne (just outside Larne)at date of marriage.
Great Great Grandfather:
Thomas Weatherup B. ? D. ?
M. Mary (Surname Unknown) B. 1803 D. 1898 (lived in her widowhood with the above William & Margaret and is buried in the family grave in Larne)
The above named Thomas is recorded on the marriage certificate of William and Margaret Alexander, and occupation is listed as that of Bleacher (I have to make the assumption that this is in connection with the Linen industry in Northern Ireland which was at its heyday during this period).
This is where I have hit the brick wall.
There is a Thomas listed as being born in 1798 and died in 1864 (these dates would tie in with the age of my Great great grandmother Mary).
I have looked at this Thomas's death registration and he died in the presence of a Samuel Weatherup 18 January 1864 (due to retention of urine)at Ardboley, Carrickfergus. He is recorded as married and was 75 years old.
Does anyone have any further information regarding this Thomas, to enable me to determine for sure that this is my ancestor.
The problem in Northern Ireland is that we all live in such close proximity of each other. Carrickfergus/Straid/Ballynure/Larne are all withwithin a 10-15 mile radius of each other.
I would love to be able to move forward with this.
Hope to hear from you soon!
Alison
Hi everyone,
I note that Neal Curren has done some research on above Thomas, and records him married to a Mary, whose dates do not tie in with my dates for her death, my Mary was born in 1803 and lived into her 90s. If Neal is correct, this would indicate that the Thomas I am researching is not the correct one. As my Thomas' occupation was listed as "Bleacher" on his son's marriage certificate, this would indicate that he may have worked within the Belfast/Lisburn areas in the linen industry.
Alison, the Thomas that Neal is referring to is my gt gt gt gt grandfather and I don't believe he had a son William. The number of family members living in the same area with the same names is a major problem. I have 9 Thomas Weatherups in my tree and none of them fit your Thomas.
Ballyclare, Larne and Carrick all had linen industry including bleach greens so your Thomas wouldn't necessarily have had to travel far.
Hi Ian,
Thanks for your response. I've since seen that my Weatherup's are appearing on the Glenavy Parish Records - all very interesting!
Kind Regards
Alison
Alison/Ian,
Just saw Alison's post saying :-
I have looked at this Thomas's death registration and he died in the presence of a Samuel Weatherup 18 January 1864 (due to retention of urine)at Ardboley, Carrickfergus. He is recorded as married and was 75 years old.
This Samuel would have likely to have been my g-g-g-grandfather. I think there must be some family link between Samuel and Thomas (maybe brothers or uncle/nephew?), as Thomas' son James was an executor of Samuel's will.
Alison - do you have the actual death certificate for this Thomas?
Ian - I hadn't realised that this Thomas was your g-g-g-g-grandfather - is this a recent find?
Neal.
It's a fairly recent find. For clarity I've removed a comment where I suggested the older Samuel (for whom we don't have dates) was a direct ancestor of mine - in my defense, on the computer screen with him at the top it's a family of Kennedys at the bottom (I'd think they must be related but not tied in yet) and a lot of similar names. He's distantly related by marriage. William (m Margaret Thompson) is slightly more distantly related by marriage. Samuel (Slievetrue) is the father of a brother-in-law of my gt gt grandmother. But Thomas is the ancestor and his details and those of his wife, Mary Junkin, are on a headstone in Old Ballynure Graveyard and Ballynure Presbyterian Church records (Junkin is pretty difficult to decipher).
Ian
Would be great to see an amended tree sometime. I think it is likely that William (m Margaret Thompson) and Samuel (Slievetrue) are brothers. No definite proof but there is a large similarity in the forenames of their children and order of births.
Also Samuel's daughter Margaret (from whom I am descended) married a Thomas Boyd and William's daughter Ann married a James Boyd. Thomas and James were brothers.
It seems like a logical conclusion though these families are so intertwined it's difficult to be sure of anything. I looked at Thomas Weatherup (1789ish - 1864): no Boyds. Thomas and Ann Weatherup (who was about the same age) both married Junkins (no proof they were related). Ann's father was John snr (see Gecko's comments in the Ballynure section). John snr, incidentally was a gt, gt grandfather of a brother-in-law of my grandfather!
In the church members list for Straid Congregational Church I found a reference to William John Weatherup snr who died in 1842. I don't know yet if this would be John snr or another senior Weatherup I wasn't aware of.
I'll try to do something about an amended tree - it's a bit out of hand at the moment!
http://www.jjon.org/jioyce-s-people/rates-1/weatherup
The above post is recommended for some Weatherup colour!
The William Weatherup mentioned was my great great grandfather dying aged 63-65 in 1895 in Dublin, born in Ballycarry, it was said. That is. born ca. 1829-1832. The range is from the internment age of 65 in 1895 and age at death of 63.
I would be delighted to hear of anyone with any information and am also on Ancestry.com
Ian Thompson
Brighton
UK
joscyn@hotmail.com
Hi
Iam Paul weatherup and iam from the lisglass road also known as quarterlands , my grandfather was Samuel weatherup and was a farmer . I always knew the weatherups from slievetrue road but we are not related
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I am researching the Weatherup family from Slievetrue and have had a limited amount of success.
Samuel Weatherup born abt 1801 died 25 Jan 1873 Sievtrue, Carrickfergus
He had at least 3 children:
1 David b abt 1934 died 1914 He married Jane Anderson
2 Jane b 1830 married Charles Hilditch
3 Margaret B abt 1829 married 1st Thomas Boyd 2nd James Eardis
I am hoping someone can help me with this family.
I do the research for myself and my husbands family. He is not a weatherup - he is descended from an Ezekiel Dorman from Ballylagan. However we are on Ancestry and we match to a whole heck of people with the Weatherup's from Dairyland and Slieve True. Having read quite a bit in the last week - particularly the linkage between the three Dorman sisters (Jennie, Sarah and another one) it would seem from the DNA matches that there is a grounding in this. My husband has also matched DNA with a Canadian branch of weatherup - which i'm assuming is the missing William - I have done quite a bit of work today and it would seem there is a pretty good chance that William went to nottawosaga, simcoe, in Canada. Find a grave shows a great deal of Weatherup's buried there. I have spent a few afternoons plotting them out on my tree on Ancestry. Is there anyone else on here that has had dna and can match up with ancestry or any other DNA testing site at all.
Kyra Meeke
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